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Let's Talk About Sex...(graphic)
by mstigerlily | Jan 20 '00
OK. After all, other than urination, that IS what the penis is for, right?
Let's talk about sex with uncirc'ed and circ'ed men. Some people say "Sex is great now with my circ'ed man/circ'ed penis! I don't see how it could...Return to opinion
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wow! (Reply to this comment)
by zzJulia
This has to be one of the best reviews I've seen on this site (and I've read many!). Well written, researched, personal and with concessions to other points of view. I also wonder, if you gave the choice to an adult male at say, age 18 to opt for a circumcision, would they go for it? Unlikely. Especially if they knew what sex and masturbation felt like before versus after.
great review,
Juls
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May 05 '00
4:03 pm PDT
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Re: My two cents (Reply to this comment)
by mstigerlily
LOL. I'm assuming you mean that an uncircumcised penis, when flaccid, somehow looks "animal-like", and I suppose you are right. We are all animals, and all male animals are born with foreskins. I guess it's all what you're used to.
Thanks for your comments
Tigerlily
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Apr 15 '00
1:39 pm PDT
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My two cents (Reply to this comment)
by SarahMc
I have had relations with men who were - and were not - cut. I never really noticed a difference- at least at my end of the experience. But if we are considering only aesthetics, I prefer to be with a man who does not look like my German Shepherd
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Apr 13 '00
11:26 pm PDT
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Re: sheesh!! (Reply to this comment)
by OftenRight
Is posting lengthy, heated reply your idea of
boycotting Epinions?
Why don't you simply share your experience instead of carrying on
about how someone else should not have shared hers.
More importantly, the fact that people think ANY discussion of
sex and or sexuality is PORNO is probably why America continues
to enjoy the practice of cutting infant boys' penises.
I'll take porno over mutilations. Thanks.
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Apr 11 '00
8:48 am PDT
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Re: Just a bit off topic! sheesh!! (Reply to this comment)
by DallasTwirl
women are idiots, I think they should have the top of thier head cut off at birth...
Love, Jesus
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Apr 10 '00
2:04 pm PDT
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Thank you! (Reply to this comment)
by AimeeMajor
I just wanted to thank you for your in depth opinion. I've learned some things I didn't know. I have never thought that uncirc was BAD, (I've had some experience with both) but I didn't know what was GOOD about it, so thank you for informing me!
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Apr 07 '00
9:23 am PDT
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Excellent review (Reply to this comment)
by jimNtexas
I disagree with mstigerlily on a number of points, but I gave this article an HR because it contains a lot of useful first hand information and supporting references.
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Mar 30 '00
10:00 pm PST
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More Comments (Reply to this comment)
by GINAJAN
I can't resist adding this one. My BIL and his wife visited last weekend to see our baby for the first time, since they live out of state. Again , my DH and his brother are uncut. The conversation drifted to circumcision after changing a diaper, and my BIL had a couple of margheritas in him by that time. I asked the locker room question, which my DH has said was never a problem although the majority of his peers are circumcised. My BIL agreed, but added that the rumor got around that he was both uncircumcised and well endowed. This turned into an advantage when, on dates, he said that the young ladies were curious and had to see for themselves. Of course, that led to other things - LOL! During this conversation my DH (who has similat attributes) was pretty quiet....hmmmmm.
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Mar 23 '00
2:12 pm PST
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GINAJAN (Reply to this comment)
by GINAJAN
Hi, MSTIGERLILY: What a great and candid editorial. I don't understand the respondents who feel that a discussion of the penis and foreskin as a sexual organ is inappropriate. After all, our little boys are only little boys for a while, quickly reach puberty, and thereafter the organ's role in sex is all-important.
If you would take the time to read by ed. - A BETTER MODEL - you'll note that I agree with you on a pretty candid basis too.
Cheers!
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Mar 20 '00
7:50 am PST
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Re: just my 2 cents... (Reply to this comment)
by rach97
I have to tell you that I really wasn't offended by the review, but I know many people who would be. It's true--I don't like to think of my little boy one day having sex! :o) He is going to wait until he has already been married for two years and decides to have a baby, right? ;o)
I don't involve myself in discussions on whether to circumcise or not, simply because I don't choose to get bashed for my opinions one way or the other. I prefer to agree to disagree.
You did have a good point, and I respect that. I also respect that you take the time to come back to your review and reply to the comments. I have been checking in to see when you would reply! Thanks! :o)
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Feb 09 '00
10:53 pm PST
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Re: just my 2 cents... (Reply to this comment)
by mstigerlily
Thanks for your explanation, and I understand your feelings.
I noticed that not one person here talked about sex w/circ'ed or uncirc'ed men, and I felt that was important. Of course, no mother likes to think about her little boy actually having *SEX* one day, but let's face it, that's what they're for!
I do apologize again if I've offended anyone with my blunt honest comments, but I felt they may be important, especially to people who may not understand what the function of the foreskin is.
Tigerlily
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Feb 07 '00
7:21 pm PST
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just my 2 cents... (Reply to this comment)
by rach97
Although your review was well written, I felt that I had to rate it as "not recommended." I also felt inclined to explain why. I appreciate that you clearly stated that it would be graphic. I, however, wouldn't recommend this to a friend for that reason. I know it would be offensive to some, and I wouldn't feel comfortable associating myself with it.
I don't feel too strongly one way or the other concerning circumcision. My two year old son is circumcised, and so is my husband. I try not to get into discussions about this topic because there is always someone (either pro or anti-circ) who will be offended.
Thank you for your honest and candid opinion. I just thought you deserved to know why I wouldn't recommend it.
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Feb 05 '00
10:06 pm PST
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re:Let's Talk About Sex...(graphic) (Reply to this comment)
by dave_corbitt
Dear mstigerlily,
Wow! What a write up. Your courage to tell about the intimate details of your experiences with cut vs uncut men is a breathe of fresh air. I was cut as an infant and once I was old enough to understand what this was all about it made me angry that such a thing could have been done to me without my consent. When my 23 year old son was born, the issue of cutting vs not had come in to the public forum and after some discussions with my wife, we decided to leave our son "au natural" for his sake. I have never regretted this decision and neither has my son. You sound like a fully alive and loving person. Good for you. May your respect for human life bring you great joy.
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Feb 04 '00
8:15 am PST
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Job Well Done (Reply to this comment)
by brim
WOW!!! You provided thorough coverage of a multifaceted topic. Your epinion was well organized and factual. You even went beyond the call of duty and provided links for people who might want to do further research on their own. I can't imagine anybody doing a better job than you did on this topic. I can't wait to check out the rest of your epinions!
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Feb 02 '00
4:10 pm PST
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To TMJTWilson and others who commented on my post... (Reply to this comment)
by mstigerlily
I'm glad that some of you found my comments helpful. I don't think that I EVER put anyone down for choosing circumcision, or insisted that my experiences generalized to everyone. And I realize my opinion was graphic (thus the title), however I definitely feel it's ON TOPIC. How can you talk about penises without mentioning sex???
I purposely didn't mention religion, because as a Catholic, I know that Christians are not required to circumcise. The old testament requires Jews to circumcise all boys on the eighth day. They also follow many of the old rules in the old testament, such as the dietary laws. Muslims are asked to circumcise because their prophet was said to be born without a foreskin. Plus Muslims follow other strict grooming rules such as plucking out the armpit hair, pubic hair and showering after every intercourse, etc.
However, once we get into the New Testament, Jesus makes it clear that circumcision means nothing and is not necessary to be a Christian. The reason Jesus HIMSELF was circumcised was, of course, that Jesus was a Jew. Of course Catholics, like all Christians are not required to circumcise either. If people claim Christians have a requirement to circumcise they are wrong.
However, I do support religious circumcision for Jews and Muslims, mainly because, as a Catholic, I do not feel qualified to speak for them. I believe that the significance of the circumcision is very spiritually important for them. They have been circumcising for thousands of years and their people have thrived. Whatever the reasons, circumcision seems to be working for them. I admit that I am hopeful that one day, Jews and Muslims will decide circumcision is no longer necessary, but I think that day is a long way off.
Therefore, my concern is mainly to educate American parents in their choice of whether or not to circumcise their sons, and not concern myself with people who circumcise for religious reasons.
Tigerlily
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Jan 30 '00
10:47 am PST
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NOT like a porno (Reply to this comment)
by wan3
I thank you for your insightful opinion. i don't understand how people can call your opinion part of a porno mag. everytime there were explicit topics mentioned, you properly warned people (especially in the title itself). And it is nice to say that these experiences you had were "yours and yours alone" but aren't all epinions? IF you rate a product, it is because you had some experience with it. And that is why there are differing opinions on products because some people's experiences have been different than others. I also did NOT find your opinion like a porno mag. what are these people talking about? have they ever read a porno mag? Just because you spoke about sexuality doesn't make it porno! please people, if you didn't want to read an explicite epinion, then you should have heeded the warning in the title. geez.
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Jan 30 '00
6:51 am PST
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The Religious Thing Needs Addressing, Too (Reply to this comment)
by TMJTWILSON
Okay, your epinion covered all the bases except for religion, for which I have a comment. I've read the Holy Bible many times and I notice many of the "old" practices are no longer practiced, such as women sitting in the tent for the seven days each month they bleed. That's one of my favorites.
I quit going to church because religious fanatics gag me. I'm sick to death with people making judgments and blaming everything on God. Who came up with that circumcision thing, anyway? What bearing could it possibly have on our Lord's happiness with us? He made our sons this way! Imagine if tomorrow, the Catholic church required women to remove their right breasts since only one is needed for feeding and the other is only sexual. Makes about as much sense, huh?
Even though your epinion is racier than I think is appropriate here, it was very comprehensive and written intelligently. Perhaps you'd edit out some of the "juicier" parts to make it an opinion that will not offend. (Not to say I was offended - but I sure won't ask my son to read it alongside me.)
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Jan 30 '00
6:37 am PST
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Thank you (Reply to this comment)
by staceyrn
...for a well written comment. I am against circumcision, and really appreciate your candid post about this. As far as your opinion's being subjective, isn't that the stuff men want to know about? Do we enjoy them? I think it's the subjective stuff that matters to them.
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Jan 28 '00
11:11 pm PST
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Graphic, Yes, But Sometimes You Have To Be (Reply to this comment)
by tora941
I thought your comments and observations were both excellent and insightful. I realized that you were correct on several counts and that you should publish this opinion for everyone to see. I am sending it to some people and hope to get more to read this. I am glad my son is intact and whole. Thank you. Tora, RN
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Jan 28 '00
8:30 pm PST
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Uh...thanks! (Reply to this comment)
by mstigerlily
Thanks for the compliments. As for feeling violated, please don't feel too bad. Probably when you were born, circumcision was done routinely on most boys and parents and doctors didn't think twice about it. Luckily today, people are starting to realize that the rest of the world gets along just fine with foreskins - and that up until the last 100 years, America did too.
If you're circumcised, it's FAR from being the end of the world! You have all the basics, and it does everything it's supposed to, you just don't have the handy warm place to tuck it away when not in use, and the few extra options that a foreskin brings during sex. And I feel confident that if you're like most men, it's brought you hours of pleasure (foreskin or no!)
No, circumcision isn't the end of the world. It's just unnecessary!
Tigerlily
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Jan 28 '00
4:34 pm PST
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Re: I\'m wit you Ms. Tigerlilly (Reply to this comment)
by inscrutable_po
Ummm. yea. About dose pics of da mistakes...er...maybe later.
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Jan 28 '00
12:37 pm PST
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I'm wit you Ms. Tigerlilly (Reply to this comment)
by inscrutable_po
but then I just had to take a look at your picture to know I'd like anything you had to say.
Okay. Enuf wit da infantile sexist crud.
Obviously, these doctors have a little money making machine going. Surprised there hasn't been a class action lawsuit. Maybe parents had the right to okay this kind of thing, but I don't think doctors were honest in portraying this as medically necessary or psychologically important. In fact I think it could be psychologically harmful to have it done. I feel violated and my trust in parents and medicine have been compromised.
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Jan 28 '00
12:36 pm PST
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Gosh I just got the hang of this 'comments' thing and saw your comment! (Reply to this comment)
by mstigerlily
Thanks for the compliment. I hope I didn't offend anyone with my comments. My interest in this subject stems from the fact that my husband is uncircumcised and I get tired of hearing about how he's disease ridden and full of smegma, etc.
I completely respect religious circumcision and try to avoid that topic entirely. My interest lies in educating parents who may be undecided or need more information.
Tigerlily
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Jan 27 '00
5:29 pm PST
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very complete epinion (Reply to this comment)
by JBigDog
I would have to say that this epinions is a very complete discussion of the topic from an adult viewpoint even if it is about an un-complete topic :-)
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Jan 21 '00
2:21 pm PST
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